Lake Mag Interview: The Uncensored Director’s Cut
November 5th, 2007 Buying Tips, Lake Martin, Real Estate Tips, Seller Tips, Water Level John
Lake Martin Magazine interviewed me a couple of weeks ago about the effect of the drought on the Lake Martin real estate market, and general trends affecting buyers, sellers, and realtors. They included it in an article called “Special Report: The Water Issue” in the November 2007 issue. I thought Nikki Reeves and Kenneth Boone did a good job of covering a huge topic.
While they didn’t publish the entire interview, they did use a couple of nuggets, and managed to add in a compliment to me. Here’s the entire interview, with the parts that Lake Magazine used highlighted in yellow:
Lake Magazine: Has the lake level affected your individual/company’s business this year in comparison to previous years? Has it done so in a positive/negative way?
John Coley: While I personally have been fortunate to have a better year in 2007 than 2006, I can’t say that for the real estate market as a whole. Through August, the number of waterfront closings per year was down 35%, from 346 to 226. I can’t help but think that a portion of that is due to the low lake level. I don’t think that it’s a majority of the culprit, though. I think the major blame for a slower market still lies at the feet of sellers who have overpriced their offerings. From 2000 to 2006 sellers became accustomed to 30% gains in value per year, and priced in 07 accordingly. The facts have shown that there was little or no value gain in 07 from 06, and some sellers have not figured that out yet. Case in point is the auction in July 07 at Harbor Pointe. They sold 25 condos in one day even though the water was extremely low, so you can’t blame it on the level. They sold them because the prices were low enough for buyers to accept.
LM: Do you think the drought will be a positive thing for the lake market - in terms of rebalancing a surplus of property and real estate agents?
JC: This is kind of a philosophical question. I think it is part of the natural free market cycle of business, so I don’t think it’s “positive” or “negative.” It’s just natural, so deal with it. Is a forest fire a “positive” experience for wild turkeys? Well, if you’re the turkey that gets burned up, no. But if you survive it and the forest in general grows more healthy because of the fire, then maybe it’s “positive” for you.
On the practical side, I do think that the lake will follow the national trend of less people joining the real estate profession over the next two years or so. The same thing happened in the tech stock boom of the late 1990s. Lots of people quit their jobs to be “day traders” or they did it on the side. The stock market crashed, and they went back to their old jobs.
There will always be room in the market for good, honest, hardworking real estate agents. In a slower market, there is less incentive for those who are half hearted or not dedicated to join up. The same rule applies in any profession. In the minds of the average American, real estate agents have a pretty low image, so I doubt we’ll see any “Farm Aid” style benefit concerts for starving Realtors.
LM: What benefits are there for buyers in the coming months? Sellers?
JC: Buyers - I think it’s a buyers’ market in every category (condos, lots, homes), so they have the benefit of buying at good prices. The only way they can benefit, though, is to actually buy. If they sit around and try to perfectly time the “bottom” - then they may miss out. Study after study shows that most “experts,” much less the average joe cannot accurately predict the perfect bottom of any market. In fact, once the public realizes that a market is on an upswing, sellers have started to gain momentum again.
Sellers - I have talked to several people that are now considering upgrading their homes to take advantage of the buyers’ market. I think another benefit is that if they price their property correctly, and either the water comes up next spring or interest rates tick down a half point, they could have some pressure relieved. The last buyers’ market in 1999 and 2000 lasted for a couple of years, if that, then it took off and ran for 7. Sellers can be confident that, if they price it right, stage it properly, and market it hard, their home will still sell. It might take longer, but a good agent can get it done.
LM: Is there a silver lining to the drought for the area’s real estate market?
JC: If Alabama Power is successful in their efforts to raise the winter level water pool to 483 or 485 as opposed to 480, that would be great. If this drought gives them the evidence they need to make the case, it will be worth it.
And if there are fewer real estate agents around, maybe there will be fewer agents’ mugshots grinning at you from signs, magazines, and mail outs. Ha!!
LM: What are your predictions/plans for 2008?
JC: If this severe drought continues, I think it will become a major, rather than minor negative effect on waterfront sales. The question in the minds of the buyer that’s new to the market, is “will it ever come back?” Veteran buyers realize we’re in an 80 year anomaly and it hasn’t bothered them that much. But 2 or 3 years straight of less than full pool conditions will start to take a heavy toll. Personally I think that is highly unlikely if you look at the rain patterns over the last 50 years. But it’s a remote possibility.
I think that most sellers will not be very negotiable in Jan 08 - Mar 08, gambling that the water will come up. They will figure, “hey, I’ve waited this long, why not wait a little longer.” I think more buyers will start to wake up and realize that the time to buy is now. For so long I heard from buyers that said “call me when that market is not so crazy.” I’m calling them now.
LM: Anything else you think needs to be included.
JC: Feel free to quote from these related posts:
Nobel Winners in Economics Say Buy Now on Lake Martin
This Man’s to Blame For the Slow Lake Martin Market
6 Crucial Changes Coming to Lake Martin Real Estate
To Predict Lake Martin Real Estate, Look West
Thanks again for the mention, Lake Mag!! (all photos in this post were taken by Kenneth Boone / Lake Magazine – Lake Martin Issue, November, 2007)



















November 7th, 2007 at 1:02 pm
Great interview. John’s insight and knowledge about Lake Martin are outstanding.
However, I wonder if he realizes the contradiction between his statement that “From 2000 to 2006 sellers became accustomed to 30% gains in value per year, and priced in 07 accordingly” and his call for buyers to come buy now. Should buyers buy at 30% above market value?
The bottom line is that it was way, way dirty cheap to rent on lake Martin in comparison with the cost of owning a house or a condo, left alone a lot to camp on!
So, it will take time for the prices to reach the bottom. Even if sellers do not wake up to the realities, inflation will make the prices go down anyway. Let me explain. Consider a seller who wants to sell his house at $750K and won’t sell for less. AT the current pace, it may take him 3 years if he/she is lucky to ultimately sell at $600,000. First, his sitting $600K would have brought him $160,000 in interests (CDI for deposits over $100K bring 8.25% yield) over the 3 years period. Moreover, $600K after 3 years is worth no more than $548K. After the three years, the seller would have lost $212K …..
But, maybe, he would hold another 3 years and sell the house for the price he wanted $750K!!!! In that case, he would lost much much more money…
November 8th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Sam - thanks for your comments. Always interesting.
No, there is no contradiction. I would not recommend anyone to buy above market value, nor to sell below it. The reason I say buy now is that buyers right now have the least amount of competition than they’ve had in 7 years. For every buyer, it comes down to making a decision on a individual property. For each buyer I work with, I supply them with the data they need to make the call. Paying over market value is not part of the plan.
Furthermore, the 30% I quote is not some fuzzy market based number, but based on research where I looked at exact homes that have sold multiple times over that period, condos that have sold multiple times, and lots that have sold multiple times.
With regard to your comparisons to other investment vehicles, I would say, when was the last time you talked to someone at the end of their life, and they said, “honey, remember that 401k we had, accout 12345, didn’t the kids love it?” Has anyone ever taught their kids to swim in a CD? Ever gotten married at an IRA? Ever proposed to their future wife at a REIT?
I don’t blame you for renting over buying at Lake Martin. Buying is not for everyone.
I will probably never, ever buy a home on Lake Tahoe. But - I am not the type of person that “hates on” people that do. I am sure that there are plenty of nice people that live there, that’s their business.
Since you’re so fond of quoting numbers, I am sure that you are an astute investor. Perhaps the most effective investor around is Warren Buffet. Have you ever read what he says about when to buy in any industry? Does he hop in at the peak of a seller’s market? Or during a buyers’? Doesn’t he make more “contrarian” moves than bandwagon ones?
Thanks again for coming in, Sam.
John
November 13th, 2007 at 7:35 am
Hi John - Interesting article! Looks like the drought is not the only determinant of the direction of the real estate market in Lake Martin. I know it’s tough for home sellers to accept that recent appreciation isn’t what it used to be. Hopefully anyone needing to sell a home in Lake Martin will soon realize that they can still take advantage of the great appreciation that the real estate market gave them in years past by pricing their home competitively now. We are suffering from really dry conditions and low water levels here in Raleigh, NC as well. It will rain again in Raleigh and in Lake Martin… it always does.